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PACHUKA
post Dec 31 2003, 08:29 AM
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Be forewarned, I'm not posting EVERY mail that they've sent. Simply because they have threatened me with some legal action a few times, and I don't think you need to see them. However, the newest batch is viewable!


First, they sent a mail to.... Choel, I think. (Correct me if I'm wrong Choel) Then I noticed they were at the forums. So I sent him a little mail:

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From: reala@sonic-cult.org [mailto:reala@sonic-cult.org]
Sent: Wed 11/5/2003 11:05 PM
To: Musler, Noah
Cc:
Subject: Welcome.



Hello Noah. Nice to see you around our parts. Any reason
you seem
interested in us?

--Reala


Then his reply:

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From: Musler, Noah xxxxxxxx@SegaAmerica.com
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:12:16 -0800
To: reala@sonic-cult.org
Subject: RE: Welcome.


Hi Reala,

Thanks for the email. I'm the product manager for Sonic Heroes and
am
responsible for the marketing, PR, and dealines associated with the
game in
the US. SonicTeam personally asked me to find out more about you
site as
there are assets posted on your site that are not supposed to be
public
knowledge. That said, some of the information you have posted
indicates
that there are leaks in our systema nd information structure. From
a
business perspective we need to plug those leaks so that our
marketing
efforts do not become compromised. 've been poking around the site
trying
to create a recommedation for SonicTeam so that they can figure out
what
the problem is.

We know that you guys are fans and big supporters on Sonic. I must
stress
that we have no desire to cause trouble with your group. Without
loyal
fans Sonic would not have been able to maintain such a strong image
over
the last 12 years. Thanks for your continued support.

Best regards,

Noah Musler
Sega of America


my reply:

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His reply:

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Hi RealaNightmaren,

Well shit.

Not sure what to do at this point. I want to talk with Sonic Team in
person about this before I think of a course of action. I'm on a business
trip right now w/ Naka-san so if the occasion arises I'll ask him what he
thinks, but I suspect I'll wait until I'm back in San Francisco and can
talk to SonicTeam USA since they are the ones who brought the problem to my
attention.

I'll get back to you on Monday or Tuesday of next week. Thank you very
much for the info. I really appreciate you honesty.

Rock on,

Noah


I replied to him with the news posting, offering to take down the heroes materials:

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Good morning Reala,

How's it going? I'm sorry that I have not responded to you in the last
week or so. In addition to being damn busy as you suggested - there has
been quite a lot of hub-bub going on at Sega regarding the content of your
site (I know you are aware of this based on the traffic you're receiving).
For corporate reasons I needed to confer with some of the execs and Sonic
Team to see what the plan was going to be.

That said - everyone does recognize the contribution to the fan culture and
popularity that your site makes. As I've said before we value our fans.
In all honesty the thing that people are most concerned about is the stolen
code, which some people associate with your website. Now, I've
consistently explained to my superiors that your site does not host the
code itself - that links get posted in your message boards. Their hope is
that when such links are posted that you (and webmasters like you) will
delete the link.

At any rate, that's kind of what has been going on here. I've got to say
that we really appreciate your offer to remove the Sonic Heroes content.
I'm hoping though that you do not have to remove it all - just the stuff
associated with the stolen code. Also, I do believe that it would be
possible to provide the site with some exclusive content. Off the top of
my head I'm thinking that an interview with Yuji Naka and possibly Takashi
Iizuka (director of SonicTeam USA and a key player in Sonic Heroes) would
be appealing to your site members. It could also be great PR for us. I'm
sure that we could also supply you with approved art and screens as well if
you interested.

Alright - I've got to truck - I'm down in LA getting ready for the Sonic
Heroes TV commercial film shoot and have a meeting in 30 minutes.
Hopefully, we will talk soon. Let me know what you think about keeping the
Heroes section open, getting some exclusive content...while helping us
protect our code.

Best regards,

Noah


my reply:

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From: reala@sonic-cult.org [mailto:reala@sonic-cult.org]
Sent: Wed 11/26/2003 9:09 PM
To: Musler, Noah
Cc:
Subject: RE: Welcome.



Hi Noah,

Just checking in to see what the latest was, how was the commercial?


his reply:

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From: Musler, Noah xxxxxxx@SegaAmerica.com
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 21:13:13 -0800
To: reala@sonic-cult.org
Subject: RE: Welcome.


Hey there,

The commercial went extremely well. I hope the fans dig the spot. I think
it's really funny, but you never know what people will really think. It
should go on air Jan 1.

No news on the other bizness. Honestly, many SOA executives were out the
office during this short holiday week. I think we'll get down to brass
tacks next week. I feel pretty confident that I can arrange the interviews
for you though.

Alright, I'm going to stop working and enjoy the holiday myself. Have a
good thanksgiving.

rock on,

Noah


So I had to ask:

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To: Musler, Noah
Subject: RE: Welcome.

Ummm, are the SOA folks above you are going to want the info on
this person leaking?


his reply:

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Yeah, I'm pretty sure they'll want that info.

I'm actually working remotely. Visiting my in-laws - but folks are watching the video from my wedding and its excruciating for me. Can't stand to watch it so anytime it comes on I flee. I left the office early today to catch a plane so I logged on to see what had happened while I was away.

I'm really logging off now.

Late,

N
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post Dec 31 2003, 08:59 AM
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Amicable Chap. Say hello to Noah from me and ask if I can nick his filming group, My Filming group at college are all idiots, and I have to make an advert all by myself, filming, editing, the lot.

Wish I had a few freinds in high places.

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post Dec 31 2003, 09:42 AM
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that's interesting. at least he's polite.


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post Dec 31 2003, 09:49 AM
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wow.. very interesting...interesting indeed....


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Ego Trip
post Dec 31 2003, 10:41 AM
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So... we get interviews with Naka-san and Iizuka-san in exchange for selling out the person who leaked the code? That's one hell of a decision. I hope you put a bit of thought into it before you make it, Pach.
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post Dec 31 2003, 10:50 AM
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but we don't have any source code, all we have is the e3 demo, so what are we to do?


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post Dec 31 2003, 10:51 AM
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Nice guy. ^_^


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post Dec 31 2003, 10:53 AM
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>> QUOTE(dude2003 @ Dec 31 2003, 10:50 AM)
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but we don't have any source code, all we have is the e3 demo, so what are we to do?

The e3 demo IS the code.
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post Dec 31 2003, 10:54 AM
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>> QUOTE(Ego Trip @ Dec 31 2003, 11:53 AM)
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>> QUOTE(dude2003 @ Dec 31 2003, 10:50 AM)
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but we don't have any source code, all we have is the e3 demo, so what are we to do?

The e3 demo IS the code.

WTF? since when is a compiled project complete with assets refered to as code? Was he drunk when he wrote that or something?

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post Dec 31 2003, 11:05 AM
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Omfg. :X

Hehe, sounds like a cool guy, really.


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post Dec 31 2003, 11:19 AM
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so im assuming that the last email was the last one. just update it when the next email arrives. love the new avatar.


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post Dec 31 2003, 11:22 AM
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>> QUOTE(dude2003 @ Dec 31 2003, 10:54 AM)
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>> QUOTE(Ego Trip @ Dec 31 2003, 11:53 AM)
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>> QUOTE(dude2003 @ Dec 31 2003, 10:50 AM)
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but we don't have any source code, all we have is the e3 demo, so what are we to do?

The e3 demo IS the code.

WTF? since when is a compiled project complete with assets refered to as code? Was he drunk when he wrote that or something?

Even though it's compiled, we could still possibly disassemble it.
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post Dec 31 2003, 11:37 AM
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>> QUOTE(Ego Trip @ Dec 31 2003, 12:22 PM)
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>> QUOTE(dude2003 @ Dec 31 2003, 10:54 AM)
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>> QUOTE(Ego Trip @ Dec 31 2003, 11:53 AM)
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>> QUOTE(dude2003 @ Dec 31 2003, 10:50 AM)
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but we don't have any source code, all we have is the e3 demo, so what are we to do?

The e3 demo IS the code.

WTF? since when is a compiled project complete with assets refered to as code? Was he drunk when he wrote that or something?

Even though it's compiled, we could still possibly disassemble it.

but it wouldn't be code until we did so.


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post Dec 31 2003, 11:38 AM
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>> QUOTE(dude2003 @ Dec 31 2003, 11:37 AM)
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>> QUOTE(Ego Trip @ Dec 31 2003, 12:22 PM)
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>> QUOTE(dude2003 @ Dec 31 2003, 10:54 AM)
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>> QUOTE(Ego Trip @ Dec 31 2003, 11:53 AM)
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>> QUOTE(dude2003 @ Dec 31 2003, 10:50 AM)
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but we don't have any source code, all we have is the e3 demo, so what are we to do?

The e3 demo IS the code.

WTF? since when is a compiled project complete with assets refered to as code? Was he drunk when he wrote that or something?

Even though it's compiled, we could still possibly disassemble it.

but it wouldn't be code until we did so.

True, but it had the potential to be code. And they obviously that as a possibility seeing as how we have a vast number of hackers here.
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post Dec 31 2003, 12:29 PM
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I wonder if that guy himself can provide us with some stuff about the early Sonic games, like a prototype or something (that wouldn't hurt their sales since it would be like watching the "making of" of any old movie).

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post Dec 31 2003, 01:47 PM
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Wow, a company that didn't start off right away with a "cease and desist" letter. +1 SEGA approval rating.


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post Dec 31 2003, 02:20 PM
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They're all people, too, I'd guess. Just doing their Jobs. What more would you want? Some of the Legal stuff, is expected because of business practices, too. But it's nice seeing someone not talking out of a legal-word-processor speak, like out of his ass, and had a more 'Human' approach. That can be entirely appreciated.

Thanks for sharing these with us, (I'm sure he was expecting some of these emails to be private, though. ;D Ahh well.) At least we have more of an insite onto the ordeals you were going through with the Sonic Heroes things.


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Hmm, this Noah guy seems pretty nice. Of course, I'm just stating what's already said...but it's nice to know that some people actually hint that they have lives away from their jobs (such as the part where he says he's forced to watch his wedding video again). Or in other words, what Koji said. ^_^;


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8 IRC Quotes, in chronological order of occurence.


Senses Fail...ing? =P
(22:09:48) (WoK(FC-MMBN)) i am WAY too into MMBN
(22:09:56) (WoK(FC-MMBN)) I saw on the corner of the TV screen "VIETNAM"
(22:09:59) (WoK(FC-MMBN)) and I read:
(22:10:01) (WoK(FC-MMBN)) "NETNAVI"
(22:10:20) (@ScaliServ) I'M way too horny.
(22:10:27) (@ScaliServ) I say "Fox25" in the corner of the screen.
(22:10:33) (@ScaliServ) and I read "CUNT"
(22:10:47) (+Dude) I saw wok's "S&M" topic
(22:10:51) (+Dude) and thought "SSBM"

<3 Kiko
[10:42:09] (@Dude) finish!
[10:42:13] (@Dude) allright, firstplace!
[10:42:15] (Kiko) YAY!
[10:42:18] (@Dude) ^_^
[10:42:19] * Kiko jumps on Dude.
[10:42:20] (Kiko) ^_^
[10:42:25] * Kiko quickly gets off.
[10:42:29] (@Dude) O_O
[10:42:30] (Kiko) of him*
[10:42:31] (SSUK) Kiko...
[10:42:32] (Kiko) ..
[10:42:33] (Kiko) >_>

My first time.../<3 ACM
[20:01:57] * ACM rapes DF
[20:02:07] * DF at College loses virginity
[20:02:14] (ACM) whoops
[20:02:17] (ACM) did I say that
[20:02:19] (ACM) I meant
[20:02:21] (DF at College) Noo!! Come back! I need that for luck!!

<3 Alpha
[19:17:57] (.Alpha) DF, Kiko, I invte you to open your mouths
[19:18:06] (.Alpha) ...that sounded weird...
[19:18:09] (Kiko) ...........
[19:18:12] (DF at College) ...mmf. (No).
[19:18:17] (DF at College) I should sig that. =P
[19:18:31] (DF at College) But a one-liner isn't as good...
[19:18:32] (.Alpha) no >_>

#cult Deities and some..problems...
[20:38:43] (BMP) alpha is jesus?
[20:38:47] (+DF at College) O_o;
[20:38:47] (BMP) i thought jesus was a chick
[20:38:49] (BMP) I was like
[20:38:51] (BMP) the long hair damnit
[20:39:07] * choel is now known as choel[afk]
[20:39:08] (.Alpha) Well, I am!
[20:39:12] * Alpha is now known as Jesus
[20:39:13] (+DF at College) If Alpha is Jesus, then is Kiko God? *continues the Kiko/Alpha parent/child idea*
[20:39:14] (B0b) I saw a jesus pic with a mullet it was funny as hell
[20:39:18] (.Jesus) onos killed by hitler
[20:39:24] (Charlesed4) DF
[20:39:31] (Charlesed4) Technically that would be a lesbian relationship =P
[20:39:38] (Kiko[ToD]) ....o_o
[20:39:38] (.Jesus) o_O;
[20:39:43] (+DF at College) Uh...
[20:39:45] * Kiko[ToD] is now known as God
[20:39:49] (BMP) chuck
[20:39:51] * God is now known as STFU
[20:39:52] (BMP) PARENT CHILD
[20:39:54] (BMP) NOT LOVER
[20:39:57] * STFU is now known as Kiko
[20:39:58] (Charlesed4) ooooh
[20:40:03] (Charlesed4) ^_^;;
[20:40:04] (Kiko) Pedo.
[20:40:04] (Kiko) =P
[20:40:07] (+DF at College) Yeah. Kiko is Alpha's mother. Or so they say. =P
[20:40:10] (Raggak) hahaha
[20:40:12] (BMP) Alpha is the daughter of kiko
[20:40:14] (BMP) durrrrrr
[20:40:16] (BMP) run with it
[20:40:19] * Raggak throws a sponge at Charlesed4
[20:40:24] (BMP) they do not make incestual love. x_X

<3 Kiko II
[21:23:08] (Raggak[Sleep]) ....AND RAGGAK GETS NO "BYE"S :(
[21:23:11] * Raggak[Sleep] goes to bed[21:23:15] (+DF at College) Bye RAGGAK!!!!!!!!!!!!
[21:23:16] (Kiko[Bah]) Bai raggark
[21:23:19] (Raggak[Sleep]) wark.
[21:23:20] (Kiko[Bah]) raggakr*
[21:23:22] (Kiko[Bah]) Raggar*
[21:23:24] (Kiko[Bah]) Reggak
[21:23:26] (Raggak[Sleep]) ,....XD
[21:23:26] (+DF at College) XD
[21:23:32] (Kiko[Bah]) RAGGAK, GO AWAK
[21:23:32] (Kiko[Bah]) ...
[21:23:32] (+DF at College) Shall I sig that too?

<3 Kiko III
[10:53:11] I wonder what it's like having a female stalker...?
[10:53:13] <@Kiko> Ah
[10:53:15] <@Kiko> Haha
[10:53:49] (@Kiko) DF..if it was a 100% Certified email, you wouldn't mind =P
[10:53:51] (@Kiko) er
[10:53:54] (@Dude) ROFL
[10:53:55] (@Dude) email
[10:53:56] (@Kiko) female
[10:53:59] (@Kiko) ..o_O
[10:54:06] (DF at College) Now THAT is signature worthy. ^_^
[10:54:11] (@Kiko) I'm looking at my email now ;_;

I can't get no...You know that Rolling Stones song, right?
[11:14:10] (.Sazpaimon) ACM boob pix plz
[11:14:28] (ACM) no camera
[11:14:38] (.Sazpaimon) scanner?
[11:14:46] (ACM) yes
[11:14:53] (.Sazpaimon) boob scans plz
[11:14:56] (ACM) no.
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post Dec 31 2003, 04:20 PM
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Interview with Yuji Naka eh? maybe he could explain a couple things, like the lack of super sonic in normal stages after getting the chaos emeralds...

It's no fun with just a cheap boss fight for some last story ending...


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post Dec 31 2003, 04:43 PM
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So, what are you going to do if and when they want the name(s) of the leaker(s)?

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