SCARZIP (SCARZ Information Pane)
Sonic Stadium
Green Hill Zone


THE 10 CULTMANDMENTS | THE IDIOT'S GUIDE TO POSTING AT SCARZ
Sonic Online
Sonic Dimension


Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

 
Reply to this topicStart new topic
> Would you guys like to see cooperative in Sonic games?
Cyberdude
post Nov 4 2005, 06:58 PM
Post #1


Now in 200x88 goodness

Group Icon

Group: CulT Member DX
Posts: 2,042
Joined: 26-August 03
From: West Yorkshire, UK
Member No.: 442
Gender: Male
Country: United Kingdom



This is an area that Sega have let me down twice in. When I first saw Sonic Heroes, from the screenshots I thought "Does that mean there's 3-player co-op!?". Sadly, no. Then again with Shadow the Hedgehog, I saw characters following him in the videos and thought the same thing.

And let's face it. Other than possibly SA2:B, the other Sonic multiplayer games of this generation (SA2 and SH) haven't been very good, and IMO, the one in Heroes took more time to program. In fact, let's weigh how much it would take for their multiplayer mode against a co-op mode for Heroes.

For creating its current 2p mode:
  • New music was made
  • Goals and level starts have to be changed
  • Engine has to be tweaked for split screen. Possibly moreso for the PS2 (theory, not criticism)
  • In terms of bobsled, they had to do a LOT. Didn't they create original levels for that?
For creating some sort of co-op mode:
  • Program some way of manually attaching to flying characters
  • Program some way of manually attaching to power characters
  • New way to handle the camera (which they did in the current 2p mode)
Maybe I just suck at thinking, but it doesn't sound too far fetched to me. If anything, they could have been lazy and given Tails his SA moves and Knuckles his SA2 moves for when they're on their own. I'd still want it. Hell even if they decided "We'll only give you 2-player co-op and no one can play the flying character," it's still be fucking awesome.

I am probably one of the most anti-social shits on this board, yet I want co-op. Did Sega confuse their target audiance with people who literally avoid human contact 100% of the time? I may not have a life, but I sure as hell have friends, and *gasp* siblings. I mean don't get me wrong, I like playing against my friends, but if you can't make a good VS mode then I say make a simple co-op mode.

Ever played San Andreas? There are SO many things you can't do in that 2 player mode, but it's great. When you're outside a mission and just feel like putting some cheats on and blowing shit up, why not do it with a friend? How much was even programmed for that 2p mode? Simply another camera, a simple in-car shooting system, and a few restrictions.

Discuss or something =P

And yes I do realise that I completely failed at adding a poll, but apparantly this IPB can't let you do that now, so meh. *shrugs*


--------------------

The Scotsblog




QUOTE
[Cinossu] http://www.nuticulus.net/drscotsman/trash/...es/egg-star.jpg BEHOLD MY LATEST INVENTION, THE EGG CARRIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR..

Link changed in case it goes stale =P
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Shakidna
post Nov 4 2005, 07:21 PM
Post #2


I am a moron, hear me roar, arar.

Group Icon

Group: CulT Member
Posts: 62
Joined: 29-July 04
Member No.: 3,125
Gender: Male



There was Tails in Sonic Adventure, but it was pretty sloppy. They didn't even bother to list it as a "2-Player Mode" on the back of SADX. XD
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
scaredbovine
post Nov 4 2005, 07:53 PM
Post #3


2 emeralds

Group Icon

Group: CulT Member
Posts: 208
Joined: 24-April 04
From: Cyberspace
Member No.: 2,270
Gender: Male
Country: United States



Hell fucking ya I'd love a CO-op Sonic, I'd be like "I CAME!!!"


--------------------
Mmm popsicles, you like popsicles paperboy?
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Eric Wright
post Nov 5 2005, 12:21 AM
Post #4


Here we goooo!!!

Group Icon

Group: CulT Family
Posts: 1,241
Joined: 13-October 03
From: Southern New England
Member No.: 760
Gender: Male
Country: United States



2 player co-op?
CHAOTIX.

Chaotix > *


--------------------
IPB Image
F-Zero Arranged OST
You want it? Here's a torrent: CLICK HERE
Encoded using LAME 3.96.1, -q1 --preset extreme
I will be seeding for as long as I have this posted in my signature.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Drex
post Nov 5 2005, 01:03 AM
Post #5

Blank

Group Icon

Group: CulT Member
Posts: 27
Joined: 22-October 03
Member No.: 816
Gender: Male



Ever since Sonic Adventure came out, I've dreamed of racing through stages with a buddy. Even an online co-op mode where you have to rely on each other to complete objectives would be really cool in my opinion.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
JohnnyUK
post Nov 5 2005, 09:22 PM
Post #6


Hitting a GBA near you

Group Icon

Group: CulT Family
Posts: 1,238
Joined: 21-August 03
From: Bolton
Member No.: 131
Gender: Male
Country: England



I've always wanted co-op. In nearly every game I've played since Doom (I used to LOVE co-op on that), I've always wondered how a co-op would work with whatever I'm playing. That's one of the reasons we're building 2 player single pak co-op into TG for the whole damn game. It'll take ages, but it'll be SO worth it.


--------------------
IPB Image

QUOTE
ShadowsoftUltima: even I don't like to imagine what I get up to while I sleep.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
The Little Red Man
post Nov 6 2005, 05:35 AM
Post #7


Still playing tug-o-war with myself.

Group Icon

Group: Broadcaster
Posts: 967
Joined: 21-August 03
Member No.: 150
Gender: Male



QUOTE(Eric Wright @ Nov 4 2005, 09:21 PM) *

2 player co-op?
CHAOTIX.

Chaotix > *


He is talking about Next Gen *Sonic* Games you realise =P

Besides, Sonic Crackers > Chaotix.


--------------------
Sorry about this post.

We don't want your soul, just your eyes and ears - www.littleredman.co.uk
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Cyberdude
post Nov 6 2005, 06:12 AM
Post #8


Now in 200x88 goodness

Group Icon

Group: CulT Member DX
Posts: 2,042
Joined: 26-August 03
From: West Yorkshire, UK
Member No.: 442
Gender: Male
Country: United Kingdom



Well yeah, I was mostly talking about next gen games. Unless you guys want to somehow get the "Retro Sonic" source and play around with it. Hell that's not a bad idea, port it to Xbox will ya =P

I enjoyed Chaotix, but personally I prefer the Tails-flying-Sonic type of game than the ring binding. IMO, the ring binding is kinda linear in comparison.


--------------------

The Scotsblog




QUOTE
[Cinossu] http://www.nuticulus.net/drscotsman/trash/...es/egg-star.jpg BEHOLD MY LATEST INVENTION, THE EGG CARRIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR..

Link changed in case it goes stale =P
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Stinky McButtface
post Nov 6 2005, 08:44 AM
Post #9

Group Icon

Group: CulT Member
Posts: 12
Joined: 18-October 05
Member No.: 9,825
Gender: Male
Country: Scotland



Isn't there co-op in Advance 3? I never actually tried it myself, but I'm pretty sure I heard about it beforehand.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Eric Wright
post Nov 6 2005, 05:23 PM
Post #10


Here we goooo!!!

Group Icon

Group: CulT Family
Posts: 1,241
Joined: 13-October 03
From: Southern New England
Member No.: 760
Gender: Male
Country: United States



QUOTE(The Little Red Man @ Nov 6 2005, 02:35 AM) *
Besides, Sonic Crackers > Chaotix.


Wrong; Chaotix > Crackers

Had Sonic & tails also been in Chaotix, AND if Chaotix were a little longer/larger (or if they at least used that crazy inverted loop shit from the 1 minute level in Crackers), it would have ruled even more... but as it stands, Chaotix still wins.

"Electoria" sounds better in Crackers than in Chaotix, though, I'll at least admit that (it's the music from Techno Tower)


--------------------
IPB Image
F-Zero Arranged OST
You want it? Here's a torrent: CLICK HERE
Encoded using LAME 3.96.1, -q1 --preset extreme
I will be seeding for as long as I have this posted in my signature.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
The Little Red Man
post Nov 6 2005, 07:27 PM
Post #11


Still playing tug-o-war with myself.

Group Icon

Group: Broadcaster
Posts: 967
Joined: 21-August 03
Member No.: 150
Gender: Male



Nah I'm kidding. Chaotix > Crackers really.


--------------------
Sorry about this post.

We don't want your soul, just your eyes and ears - www.littleredman.co.uk
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
cobra13402
post Nov 7 2005, 10:09 AM
Post #12

Newbie

Group Icon

Group: CulT Member
Posts: 168
Joined: 21-August 03
Member No.: 145
Gender: Male



I simply don't think that coop fits in the sonic style of gameplay. The best example of where they did coop wasnt in the 3d game but in the advance series. Specificly sonic advance 3 had the best coop support but even then you didnt feel that you really were working together to get accross levels. People could easily get across the levels and to the same areas in the levels that they could get to without a partner. I just cant imagine a good way for them to do it while keeping there original speedy gameplay.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
The Stiv
post Nov 7 2005, 11:10 AM
Post #13


StivStyle UK on Saz FM - Occasionally.

Group Icon

Group: CulT Family
Posts: 1,304
Joined: 21-August 03
From: Newcastle, North East England
Member No.: 60
Gender: Male
Country: England



Sonic the Hedgehog: Legends.

Needed.


--------------------
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Nash
post Nov 7 2005, 11:15 AM
Post #14


It's back...

Group Icon

Group: CulT Member
Posts: 550
Joined: 24-August 03
From: my pants!
Member No.: 388
Gender: Male
Country: Sweden



It probably be fun... but ifso they got to redo some stuff to make it work, like the first player is Sonic and bash all shit and takes everything before 2p comes.
I dunno, I liked the Tails 2p thing in Sonic 2.


--------------------

IPB Image
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Cyberdude
post Nov 7 2005, 01:35 PM
Post #15


Now in 200x88 goodness

Group Icon

Group: CulT Member DX
Posts: 2,042
Joined: 26-August 03
From: West Yorkshire, UK
Member No.: 442
Gender: Male
Country: United Kingdom



QUOTE(cobra13402 @ Nov 7 2005, 03:09 PM) *

I simply don't think that coop fits in the sonic style of gameplay. The best example of where they did coop wasnt in the 3d game but in the advance series. Specificly sonic advance 3 had the best coop support but even then you didnt feel that you really were working together to get accross levels. People could easily get across the levels and to the same areas in the levels that they could get to without a partner. I just cant imagine a good way for them to do it while keeping there original speedy gameplay.

Well personally, I had great fun with Sonic 3 & Knuckles. It was great being flown places and flying my friends places. Whenever I played with Tails I always lost the fast gameplay due to my curiosity, so it was the same thing really.

My idea was really with Sonic Heroes. I liked the game, but if they're going to make a sequel then I'd like it to have co-op. And in terms of story, preferably be a bit less kiddy and more like SA2.

As I said, give them some of their SA and/or SA2 mechanics back (I think they were all faster in SA, so speed from there), and drop a few of the characters (Team Rose and Omega...). Then - as with Sonic 3 and Sonic Adventure - you necessarily aren't relying on the characters to be able to fly/climb/glide (might be good if it's required for 100% completion though). IMO, It's a hell of a lot better than in Heroes where Rouge's kicking is apparantly not worth using.


--------------------

The Scotsblog




QUOTE
[Cinossu] http://www.nuticulus.net/drscotsman/trash/...es/egg-star.jpg BEHOLD MY LATEST INVENTION, THE EGG CARRIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR..

Link changed in case it goes stale =P
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
PsychoSk8r
post Nov 8 2005, 09:45 AM
Post #16


I'm Back Beeyatches! =P

Group Icon

Group: CulT Member
Posts: 178
Joined: 28-June 04
From: Underneath Your Bed. Muahaha.
Member No.: 2,833
Gender: Male
Country: United Kingdom



Co-op Sonic Heroes or Any nextgen sonic game > *
My first word (or whatever) online about the game would be <3


--------------------


PsychoSk8r's Quotes
IRC
* Dirtster throws a car at djbrayster
* djbrayster dodges and drives away in the car
Dirtster> :P
Dirtster> IT NEEDS AN M.O.T.!!
* Dirtster runs
djbrayster> Wha?! I Dunno how to drive!!!!!
* djbrayster drives over cliff
PsychoSk8r> XD
* Dirtster watches as djbrayster hits a trampoline
djbrayster> IN A CAR?!
Dirtster> yup
PsychoSk8r> XDD
Dirtster> lmao
Dirtster> the little white lights turn on


PsychoSk8r. Joined January 3rd 2003

IPB Image
IPB Image
IPB Image
IPB Image

Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Billy
post Nov 8 2005, 09:25 PM
Post #17


Wanted: custom member title, for murder

Group Icon

Group: CulT Member
Posts: 4
Joined: 28-August 05
From: Northglenn Colorado U.S.A
Member No.: 9,747
Gender: Male
Country: United States



Well it's wasn't made by Sonic Team, But Sonic Robo Blast 2 (a fan game by Sonic Team Jr.) has cooperative mode... (hey it's 3D)
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
DimensionWarped
post Nov 9 2005, 08:12 PM
Post #18

3D programmer and artist

Group Icon

Group: CulT Member
Posts: 365
Joined: 14-February 04
Member No.: 1,585
Gender: Male
Country: Germany



SRB2 doesn't qualify as next gen either :P


--------------------

http://glitchesguides.zyns.com/forums/inde...dex.php?act=idx
Do you think you have good programming or art skills? We might be able to use your help on a new Sonic Project.

[Internet Radio
24.225.254.136:8000
Jon and Co Show - 8:00 - 9:00 Thursdays
Jon's Late night Elevator Music - randomly at late night.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
scaredbovine
post Nov 10 2005, 01:33 AM
Post #19


2 emeralds

Group Icon

Group: CulT Member
Posts: 208
Joined: 24-April 04
From: Cyberspace
Member No.: 2,270
Gender: Male
Country: United States



Still SRB2 was/is awesome.


--------------------
Mmm popsicles, you like popsicles paperboy?
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Cryomancer
post Nov 10 2005, 03:29 AM
Post #20


fine fuckers it's back

Group Icon

Group: Broadcaster
Posts: 1,441
Joined: 21-August 03
From: Downstairs from CherryTonic
Member No.: 153
Gender: Male
Country: United States



Chaotix is the best sonic game ever


--------------------
IPB Image
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

2 User(s) are reading this topic (2 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:
Start new topic

 

Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 24th June 2017 - 10:35 AM