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> Twilight Princess, "Direct" sequel to Ocarina of Time?
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post Nov 7 2005, 12:47 AM
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So I've been hearing from various websites that the producer of Twilight Princess has said that the game will follow the events after the end of Ocarina of Time (whereas before it was called "several decades after").

Now, the only reason I put "direct" in quotes is because Majora's Mask comes within a few months after Ocarina of Time. I'm guessing Twilight Princess would take place once Link grew up. But it is still directly connected.

This makes SOME sense, especially in a one specific area:

Ganondorf's last words.

Right when you beat Ganon at the end of Ocarina of Time, he places a curse on Zelda, then a curse on Hyrule, then a curse on Link. This could result in the unfortunate happenings of the castle area of Twilight Princess.

So what are you guys hoping to see come out of this, if it does turn out to be a "direct sequel"?


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post Nov 7 2005, 04:15 AM
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I think zelda story is one of the following:

An oral history legend being retold by different storytellers every time, thus details (items, dungeons, etc) are different while the characters and theme stays mostly the same.

Alternatively it could be a factual happening, and it's just a reincarnation / similar people every xxxx years it takes for them to forget about last time.

Alternately alternatively, it's a personaification of the triforce's own internal balance of power within itself.


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post Nov 7 2005, 07:25 AM
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I'm not a real fan of "connecting storylines", so I don't really care where this game is placed in the timeline. I must be one of the few Zelda fans who doesn't care what happened after of before, since it's mostly the same anyway =P
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I guess I just hope to see some familiar places from OoT.


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I guess I just hope to see some familiar places from OoT.

I just hope Link never talks.
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post Nov 7 2005, 09:17 AM
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The videos that nintendo's been showing off have shown no dialouge on the bottom of the screen, but DID have lip flap. They might just have hidden the onscreen dialouge but who knows. I HIGHLY doubt Link would speak though. It would just seem too wrong.


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post Nov 7 2005, 09:55 AM
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QUOTE(Cryomancer @ Nov 7 2005, 04:15 AM) *

An oral history legend being retold by different storytellers every time, thus details (items, dungeons, etc) are different while the characters and theme stays mostly the same.


Not possible. Several of the stories directly relate to past/other stories. For instance, The Wind Waker tells (in its prologue) the story of Ocarina of Time. Link's Awakening tells about A Link to the Past, Majora's Mask is directly related to Ocarina of Time, and Oracle of Ages and Oracle of Seasons are connected games.


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post Nov 7 2005, 10:46 AM
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Just check here. I think the curse is the one set in Zelda 2.


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I've read the timelines on the sites before.

This one is the one I find most plausible

However, it's missing one crucial element:

Vaati. The storylines ARE connected, as seen in Four Swords Adventures, where we see that Ganon first obtains the Dark Trident that he uses later on timewise in the series.


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QUOTE(blamemyparents @ Nov 7 2005, 08:17 AM) *

The videos that nintendo's been showing off have shown no dialouge on the bottom of the screen, but DID have lip flap. They might just have hidden the onscreen dialouge but who knows. I HIGHLY doubt Link would speak though. It would just seem too wrong.

I believe it's already been said that link won't talk. But, in some interview where somebody asked if link will ever talk, the answear was something like they'll think about having Link say simple things like "Yeah!" and the like... but even that I will hate.
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He did scream and etc. in Wind Waker, does that count? =P


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QUOTE(Cryomancer @ Nov 7 2005, 09:15 AM) *

I think zelda story is one of the following:

An oral history legend being retold by different storytellers every time


A TALE OF SWORDS AND SOULS, ETERNALLY RETOLD


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Engraving vanishing memories into the sword,
He places finely honed skills into the stone.
Spoken from the sword, handed down from the stone,
Now the story can be told...


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QUOTE(ωιτεο&# @ Nov 7 2005, 06:55 AM) *

QUOTE(Cryomancer @ Nov 7 2005, 04:15 AM) *

An oral history legend being retold by different storytellers every time, thus details (items, dungeons, etc) are different while the characters and theme stays mostly the same.


Not possible. Several of the stories directly relate to past/other stories. For instance, The Wind Waker tells (in its prologue) the story of Ocarina of Time. Link's Awakening tells about A Link to the Past, Majora's Mask is directly related to Ocarina of Time, and Oracle of Ages and Oracle of Seasons are connected games.



hey grandpa that story was really cool, what happens after that?


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QUOTE(ωιτεο&# @ Nov 7 2005, 07:56 PM) *

A warrior takes sword in hand, clasping a gem to his heart...
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Simply put, Zelda's continuity is riddled with more holes then the plot of Rockman X when you try and put all into a single universe. Very few of the games were made to be directly linked, and one of the ones that fit the best (Lttp -> OoT, considering OoT was originally made as a direct prequel for LttP) is slowly being maimed by shoving more and more games into it's continuity.
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Keep in mind that at the end of Oracle of Time, there are two separate timelines. One that leads directly to MM, …, ALttP, LA, …, LoZ, AoL, …, OoS/OoA, …, TMC, …, FS, …, FSA -- the timeline where Ganon never took over Hyrule.

But there is also the timeline where Link disappears and Ganon rules everything. After a HUGE gap, that leads to the Windwaker.

Twilight Princess, if in the latter timeline, could therefore, occur right after OoT without conflicting with MM.


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Keep in mind that at the end of Oracle of Time, there are two separate timelines. One that leads directly to MM, …, ALttP, LA, …, LoZ, AoL, …, OoS/OoA, …, TMC, …, FS, …, FSA -- the timeline where Ganon never took over Hyrule.

But there is also the timeline where Link disappears and Ganon rules everything. After a HUGE gap, that leads to the Windwaker.

Twilight Princess, if in the latter timeline, could therefore, occur right after OoT without conflicting with MM.

*Ocarina of Time.

And afaik, the second timeline where Link disappears and Ganon rules everything, the one that leads into Wind Waker? That does include Link's brief reappearance 7 years after he originally disappeared, where he slays Ganon, right? Then he.. well, we don't know, really. His consciousness was sent back in time creating the new timeline where Ganon never ruled, but we never see what happens in the original timeline. Did his body vanish, did he fall down - braindead? Was his consciousness duplicated, one sent back in time and one remaining in his future body? If I remember rightly, WW said "he took off for parts unknown", does that mean his consciousness remained in that future, and he physically left Hyrule? Or could that be a distorted-by-myth way of saying he fucked off to an alternate timeline?

Perhaps it was the first one - his consciousness stayed in the future and eventually he left Hyrule. Maybe TP is the story of how and why he left? Or could it be the story of after he left, how the world was flooded? Maybe the climax of the game is you leading people to safety atop mountains, as the water hits?


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blah blah blah words words words words BMP doesn't know who the dancing man is in my avatar cause he's not a brit more words Maybe the climax of the game is you leading people to safety atop mountains, as the water hits?

I want you all to stop and think about how INSANELY sweet that would be.


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