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Cyberdude
post Mar 24 2005, 12:21 PM
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I was going to have this in the Sonic X SCARZ topic, but it goes better on its own.

Although 4kids do annoying things, they're not pointless. 4kids want RATINGS and thus MONEY. In the USA the greater audiance for animation is KIDS.

EDIT: I will fucking kill anyone who interprets that statistic above wrongly. I said GREATER. Saying "THERE'S A BIG TEEN/ADULT AUDIANCE" does not prove my statement wrong. Showing me numbers from a reliable source would be your first step. Numbers of both kids and teens/adults that is.

Thus:

1. 4kids don't buy original music, save's money.
2. 4kids censor appropriatly for laws and TV channel rules
3. 4kids rework script to get better RATINGS as the kids LIKE IT BETTER

Thus 4kids DO THEIR JOB. The above things being considered rational leaves you with what, empty signs in Sonic X episode 16? Although that's slightly rational as NOT MANY KIDS CAN READ FAST OR READ AT ALL.

If you care so much then translate for subs. I say translate as there are a lot of people who can time and create subs, but not enough people who can translate. Hell give me translators and the right program, then I could probably sub.

Bitching about 4kids is like bitching about a free CD you got not working.

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post Mar 24 2005, 12:45 PM
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Chris has been acting ever more gayer in these last episodes. I'm glad they're showing the last two episodes this saturday.


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post Mar 24 2005, 02:17 PM
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No really, stop bashing the dub. For the sub is just as fucking retarded!


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post Mar 24 2005, 03:05 PM
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I dont even watch the subs.


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post Mar 24 2005, 03:09 PM
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QUOTE(PsyTi @ Mar 24 2005, 07:17 PM)
No really, stop bashing the dub. For the sub is just as fucking retarded!
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My post was factual and barely opinionated (yes I realise "Although 4kids do annoying things" is opinionated, hence the 'barely'). Yours is opinionated. Not that having opinions is a problem, but it isn't really an argument.

Although that's still not nearly as bad as the purist fanboys I'm bitching about =P

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post Mar 24 2005, 04:06 PM
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Thing is, the only difference between the jap and american versions is the audio.

Changing audio isn't enough to ruin a cartoon such as Sonic X. Sonic X is the same fucking thing in japanese and american, so why people tend to perfer the jap version is beyond me.

But eh, I don't see how you fags can stomach sonic x anyway, so don't mind me.


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QUOTE(PsyTi @ Mar 24 2005, 01:06 PM)
Sonic X is the same fucking thing in japanese and american, so why people tend to perfer the jap version is beyond me.

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1. Better Music
2. No cut/altared scenes
3. Game voices
4.Cussing
5. 4Kids sucks ass anyway

Thats why the Japanese version is better.

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post Mar 24 2005, 04:58 PM
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Those are the reasons? That's it? Three of the things you mentioned fell right under audio.

Cussing.

OMGFG NO WAY.


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post Mar 24 2005, 05:11 PM
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PsyTi, what annoys people the most is the script changing, which changes/messes up plot, and removes good jokes/puns. This happens with every anime 4kids has ever touched. Ignore Jax, he seemed to act like a 10 year old just then.

Obviously I don't care about this too much, because I'm not some dolt who can't read subtitles (dyslexics and people with other disabilities are obviously not counted as dolts). Most of the people who complain can read subtitles perfectly well.

And just because you can't stomach any type of Sonic X it doesn't mean other people can't.

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Well...that last line..is..pretty obvious.

4kids just can't really dub. In all honesty, few can. (I don't really see why it seems so hard.)

My thing is, if you don't like the english version for what it is (meaning the IMPORTANT shit. not because of the audio), you're not going to like the japanese version either.

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why cant they just release a UNchanged edition of X like they did with YUGIOH?. I mean seriously but Jax has got a point ever listened to E-102's voice in the american dub i know 4kids gets bad dubbers but that voice was the worst.


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post Mar 24 2005, 09:28 PM
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I hate what 4Kids did to Sonic X because I had high expectations for it. I'm not saying they didn't do their job, but they damn well could have done it better. The dub is just a discrace. That's why I don't watch it, nor bitch and whine about it on a regular basis.


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QUOTE(Bronze God @ Mar 24 2005, 06:28 PM)
I hate what 4Kids did to Sonic X because I had high expectations for it. I'm not saying they didn't do their job, but they damn well could have done it better. The dub is just a discrace. That's why I don't watch it, nor bitch and whine about it on a regular basis.
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You're wasting your time.

The hardcore anime fans will never listen because they're too busy jacking off to just about everything that's Japanese.


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post Mar 25 2005, 12:43 AM
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I wouldn't consider myself a hardcore fan. I like the French dub as well as the original Japanese. Probably because the same music is there (albiet up a note or so) in the French dub. Most of the French voices are good...Not all, but most. I'm sure the French dub company was just as interested in money as 4Kids was, but they still managed to not horribly fuck over the series. If you argue that 4Kids didn't buy the music because they wanted to make money, that's a load of shit. Not to mention Mike Pollock the chain smoking Eggman and Ash the kitsune.

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Eh, doing their job or not, I'll complain all I want! Bwahahahahaa *bricked* Seriously though, there's usually always a motive behind the constant negative feedback towards dubbed shows. Perhaps a hope of uncut DVDs, better treatment of future shows, or whatever it is the hardcore fanbase wants.

And it's always people who dearly loved the original who complain anyways, as people who haven't seen it before don't know that what's being handed to them is different. I sure don't like things I enjoy being censored and cut for silly things like time and ratings (coughzatchbellcough).

But if it's a winnner with the larger, and younger target audience, then there's no reason to accomodate the older fans. So far Yugi-Oh and Shaman King won over enough teenage fans to get uncut DVDs released here, but no other 4kids dubs have acheived the same yet. So for the time being, looks like the angry Sonic X fans are stuck with their fansubs.

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QUOTE(Cyberdude @ Mar 24 2005, 09:21 AM)
I was going to have this in the Sonic X SCARZ topic, but it goes better on its own.

Although 4kids do annoying things, they're not pointless.  4kids want RATINGS and thus MONEY.  In the USA the greater audiance for animation is KIDS.

1. 4kids don't buy original music, save's money.
2. 4kids censor appropriatly for laws and TV channel rules
3. 4kids rework script to get better RATINGS as the kids LIKE IT BETTER

Thus 4kids DO THEIR JOB.  The above things being considered rational leaves you with what, empty signs in Sonic X episode 16?  Although that's slightly rational as NOT MANY KIDS CAN READ FAST OR READ AT ALL.
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post Mar 25 2005, 10:25 AM
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Why bash the dub when you can bash the show itself?


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QUOTE(Chazman @ Mar 25 2005, 05:43 AM)
I wouldn't consider myself a hardcore fan. I like the French dub as well as the original Japanese. Probably because the same music is there (albiet up a note or so) in the French dub. Most of the French voices are good...Not all, but most. I'm sure the French dub company was just as interested in money as 4Kids was, but they still managed to not horribly fuck over the series. If you argue that 4Kids didn't buy the music because they wanted to make money, that's a load of shit. Not to mention Mike Pollock the chain smoking Eggman and Ash the kitsune.

Okay, crappy voices I can agree with. Assuming the voice isn't impossible to replicate, in this case none of them were.

France have a different rating system to the US though. According to 4kids (in reply to e-mail someone sent about One Piece) if you put in heavy blood then OH SNAP CAN'T GO ON KIDS CHANNEL. I've been to France, and I saw TWO porn videos on at 10:30 am, IN A HOTEL (regular TV, not hotel pay-per-view shit). By accident that is. God knows what I would have seen if I was in my own room browsing all the channels.

This is only an assumption, but I think I can safely assume that the French dubbing company can aim at teenagers without losing their kids audiance. Given the above, I doubt many French channels will give a shit if they include bullet noises without people actually being shot.

Er, not buy music to MAKE money? I said save money. The kids probably couldn't give less of a shit. In terms of the music, okay, the French company are less cheap then, I guess that's your second point.

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<3, you don't have sucky hearing and/or knowledge. If you play it on your PC then play it at 96% speed if possible for the original pitch.

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My thing is, if you don't like the english version for what it is (meaning the IMPORTANT shit. not because of the audio), you're not going to like the japanese version either.


Assuming script is included in audio, that is imporant, as as I've said previously, 4kids change it a lot, and insert many plotholes. Not to mention you never see cheesy lines like this in original anime:

"Zolo it's time to golo!" - 4kids One Piece

And fucked up lines like this:

"Each chaos emel" - 4kids Sonic X

And of course fucked up concepts like this:

4kids Yugioh - Shadow Realm
Original Yugioh - ....death, nothing special

(Fuck, I'm kinda contradicting myself with these 2 arguments =P. Well at least I'm not randomly bashing or forming a dead end dub or something with my arguments, and at least mine are constructive)

AJ 187: Rofl. You win (mostly)

Elbot Wolfcat: ....Why all dubbed anime sucks? What? Some of those reasons don't even APPLY to some companies (namely ADV, who's only weak point is voices).

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